Another week has passed, and instead of the I’m Christian, unless you’re gay post slowing down, it actually brought in record traffic, and with it record comments, record emails, and record “wow moments” for me.
If I’m being honest, it has completely taken over my life for the moment. I so badly wanted to have the third installment of my love-yourself series done and posted for this week, but it has been impossible to finish. So, I’m super sorry, you’ll have to wait till next week (if I can make it happen by then!)
The emotional side for me has been overwhelming since posting I’m Christian, unless you’re gay. I never expected it to do what it did, spread the way it has, or make the kind of impact in individual lives that it has. And I suppose that’s why I keep sharing things about it. I suppose that’s why I share with you data about the amount of traffic it’s getting. I suppose that’s why it remains my focus.
And if I’m being honest, it will probably demand my attention for a little while yet.
You see, it’s a message that is spreading not because it’s perfect or even great writing. It’s a message that’s spreading because so many people feel and see in their own lives the things I discuss in the post. It’s a message that’s spreading because so many people hurt or have hurt due to those whip-sawing dynamics. It’s a message that’s spreading because others have wanted to spread the same message but haven’t known how.
That’s all.
Summed up, it’s a message that’s spreading because it needs to be heard. No other factor is strong enough to lay claim on the reason behind the message’s success, of that I am certain. It has nothing to do with me.
Anyways, because it has been spread and shared and read by so many people, it has naturally had the chance to drastically change the lives of some people. It has changed the very direction of the way a few people think. And every day I get to open my inbox and read amazing things that have happened in its aftermath.
But this week, instead of sharing the full email responses, I decided to create a video with some of those responses, both the good and the bad.
Man, I wish everybody could spend a day rummaging through my inbox. I believe it would change any person. Hopefully this will be a small yet powerful taste for you.
And if watching it affects you, please share this video. Post it on your Facebook and Twitter walls. Embed it in your blog. Use it wherever you like, if you feel that the message is worth sharing.
I hope it is. Because you never know who might see it, who might watch it, who might read the post, and who might be sending an email of their own. All because you shared.
Dan Pearce, Single Dad Laughing
PS. Please be sure to come back during the next couple days. I’ll be posting something totally non-related and very important given what time of year it is. It’s time this blogger paid it forward.
Oh, and if you want to copy/paste the direct link to the video, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_eyGgnbXNU
Also…
This Sunday I'm speaking to our community of faith. We are a church open to all. I'm speaking on this issue and have been looking for a video to share. I first read your "I'm Christian, unless you're gay" blog post and have been trying to decide if I have the time in that morning to read the entire thing aloud. Then I saw this video and thought this would be a great way to communicate what happens when you love. I'm wondering if there is any way for me to obtain this video from you in a Quicktime format? I'm unable to stream live and can't use You Tube videos. Please let me know if this is possible. This is a powerful video!
Amazing. I shared and hope that all my Christian friends get the message. If not, that's okay. But God said to LOVE!
This last Christmas my father and I had very heartfelt talk about this very thing on the way home from Vegas. I admitted some very heavy burdens to my dad and he just looked at me and said "you're my daughter no matter what, I love you." I have been excommunicated from the Church for 2 years as well, I can not express how much gratitude I have to my family and friends who have stood next to me and helped me during these trials. I have learned so much about what it means to show unconditional love and his image in your countenance. I am grateful for that, for your post and I know it has already made a difference. Keep it up.
The responses to your post literally made me do the ugly cry. It pains me to see how small minded people can be and the fact that they don't even realize it. Thank you for posting this video, your original post, and the responses to it.
This makes me smile. My pastor was recently bold enough to show a video about all the hate we 'well - meaning Christians' are spewing and FINALLY encourage those thinking they're 'sharing God's truth' to settle down. We often forget our job is to love everyone else...not judge them.
Love love love...
Just want to say I love you for this post. Been a fan for a while and I concur with the entire post and am glad to see the follow up video. Thank you for taking the time to be the vessel of this important truth. Diane
Wow! Very powerful!
I am a 59 year old lover of Christ. I am also the sister of Sherwin Derby, who took his own life at the age of 29. He was a couture designer. I was practically raised by the gay community in N.Y.C. in the late 60's, early 70's, and even after that. I am not gay.At one time, I knew almost every drag queen in New York. I was 16 when I started working at the oldest private after hours nightclub in the city. I had never seen or heard what gay was. I didn't believe that one of the bartenders, Imogene, was a woman. But when I asked her, she confirmed. She sang Aretha Franklin like no one else I've ever heard. I worked in the coatroom with my boyfriend, who was 8 years older than me. I was a runaway from a very conservative town in upstate N.Y. I was 14 when I left and went to N.Y., knowing no-one there. Enough about me. Let me tell you what the gay community did for me. They accepted me, they were wonderful people, and I will always love them. When I had a son, and was severely abused physically by his father, the only place I could go was to a drag queen, Melva(fernando) . I slept in her huge bed, and my son's crib was right there too. She helped me every time I needed her the previous years, and so did many others . Oh how I wish I could find her now and help her. I can't find her.. Mark invited us to share holidays with he and his family, and I did once. It was too painful being in a healthy family environment though, so I only saw him at the club after that.. .I had to move across country to escape my son's dad. I'm in California now.Fresno to be exact. I hope this sheds some light on how to love others. If not, I really feel sorry for you, because there's someone in YOUR family that's gay. The command of my saviour is very clear. LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. No compromises, no excuse. Just do it.
I read my first post of yours a few days ago, and have been repeatedly drawn to it since then. My first reading was the 15 y/o boy who came out to his mother via your article and subsequent email. I read it to my fiance', and we cried together. Today, I read your original post, "I'm Christian, unless your gay". Thank you for following your heart and conviction by posting the article and follow up responses. They are moving, powerful, and have become a life of their own, so enjoy it. Relax, sit back, and enjoy this ride. It will be long and glorious. This needed to be said, and your words were written in such a way that we actually heard them. I speculate that Ellen will be calling you soon.
As for me, I am one of the lucky ones. My parents and older brother and sister all embraced me with open arms when I came out to them when I was 19 years old. (I'm 41 now). They have supported me through break-ups and new relationships- no judgement. They have big hearts and love me unconditionally. Unfortunately, my fiance' feels judged and rejected by her devout Catholic parents, and it breaks my heart. I want them to read your article, because their acceptance is important to us, and we want them at our wedding. However, it won't stop us from enjoying a loving and positive relationship.
Thank you for proving that one individual can change the heart of many.
You're original blog and the subsequent responses you have shared is very moving. You wrote that your words are not about homosexuality. So, if I take you at your word, when I step back and look at the broad, even sweeping brush strokes used to depict love I see a possible severing of love from ethics that can quickly lead down a path I am certain you don't intend. If we turn the lens away from homosexuality, obesity, ugliness, you-are-not-like-me-so-I-hate-you stuff and focus on, say, genocide, brutal regimes that crush rebellion with overwhelmingly disproportionate force, tyrant dictatorships who use starvation as a weapon, and so on..... What does love look like there? What is the loving thing to do? Or let's bring our lens to a more personal level. The treasurer of your social club, school or whatever, embezzles thousands of dollars. How does love respond? Or to make it even more personal (and to turn the lens back on sexuality): I am a clergy person. I minister in a denomination that is also part of a larger world-wide communion of Churches with hundreds of years of history together. The issue of homosexual marriage has been painful and I am saddened and ashamed at the hatefulness I witness from all (and I mean ALL) sides. The world-wide organization pleads with my denomination to refrain from doing anything that will tear the communion apart while my denomination says that love demands that homosexuals be fully included in the life of the church. For my part, I've never said a hateful thing about anyone in my life. I refuse to define myself on the basis of what I'm against. Nevertheless, I believe that I cannot preside at a homosexual marriage because I believe love means that I take seriously the world-wide communion’s request to refrain from blessings gay marriages because the rest of the communion isn’t ready. Many, maybe most, will say that is a hateful response from me. I don't feel any hate. I just feel confused. I love the world wide communion I'm a part of. I love the gays and lesbians who worship in my church. But I can't do what some of them want me to do. My point is simply that love is hard. Really, really hard. Really, really, really ..... Really hard. And doing the "loving" thing isn't always clear. And even when it is, someone else will say, "That isn't love."
I think, in your blog, you have reduced love to mean the absence of hatefulness. But how love respond to hate itself? The risk of this post-modern conceptualization is love reduced to sentimentality. Don’t get me wrong, I am not defending hatefulness towards gays. It breaks my heart. And it breaks my heart to know that a gay or lesbian will feel rejected by me for not marrying them. I don’t know what to do about that. I am gratified, though, that gays and lesbians continue to worship in my church, participate in ministry and leadership and, most importantly, express genuine love toward me.
And that, it seems to me, is the challenge of our era: to love each other in the midst of our disagreements; to acknowledge that we don’t agree on important matters but that we will worship together and minister alongside each other, eat at each other’s homes, cry with each other when we hurt and rejoice with each other at our moments of victory. And all without requiring that you agree with me first. Or ever.
Jesus was hated and persecuted yet showed love and compassion throughout. I was "a good Catholic father" for twenty-three years... but I've been transgendered for forty-six years. For this I lost my seven kids, my grandchildren, my marriage, my home, my siblings, my dad, all my relatives, my friends, my business, my church, my community and hope. My wife knew that I was transgendered two years before we married and seemed fine with it. Since asking me to "stop being transgendered or leave" three years ago my world fell apart. Shortly after moving out I was charged with seven bogus criminal offences by a retired York Regional police officer from our church and put on trial in a Newmarket, Ontario court without legal aid (living on $4/day PNA) while medicated for depression and was convicted on July 16, 2010.
Since becoming an outcast I've been depressed, isolated, suicidal, anxious, homeless, a criminal, a freak, discriminated against and assaulted. There are lots of reasons to kill myself but there is one good reason to live... LOVE! I've learned to do what every religion teaches but seems so hard to put into practice... LOVE and FORGIVE. Step back and see how easy it is to let evil take hold when you think you love God and have won God's favour. I've come to hate my life for what I've had to endure, and have prayed for death, but ironically the more I tried to distance myself from God the more I found myself learning to love and forgiveness...Ironic? On December 24, 2011 my 20 year old son and my two youngest brothers came to visit me for a few hours, I was so nervous and scared. We talked about the very issues you describe in this blog... I think I'm not suicidal any more. (((((Hugs))))) Stefonknee
@Stefonknee God loves you, and so do I!
im kinda speechless. it is true how the world has split apart and we have all learned not to love. im going to be honest i do believe that being gay is a sin. but its a choice and if somebody chooses to be it...it doesnt change the person they are. i always thought of myself as a good person...but after reading this i realized...i DO judge ppl bc they are fat (and i shouldnt because i may not be obese but im no size 6) and i do stare at people covered in tattoos or people who are dirty. that stops. because by me judging....im sinning just as much as any other sin no matter how major it is. i will love people for who they are and not by the choices they make. so thank you
I shared this on my FB wall, hoping that my in-laws read it. I'm not Christian, while they are Catholic, and they have always treated me differently and with less human courtesy than I deserve. They now even treat my kids differently. I really, really hope your blog and post helps.
I have just finished reading your blog and now watched the video.
I sit here with tears in my eyes as I think of how many people have been affected by your words.
It is a shame that hate is so much easier to some than love. I am not perfect but my motto in life is TO EACH THEIR OWN. We are all different and beautiful in our own way.... it is those differences that make us beautiful.
Thank you for having the courage to write this blog. Someone needed to do it.
I'm often surprised by how much hate is shown by those who preach love. It is really moving to see that you had such an impact in many families that were broken apart by the intolerance caused by their own social expectations, it doesn't matter where those came from. We can always dislike things, beliefs, actions, but we shouldn't hate people for them.
I'm so glad you posted all of this stuff, and I'm sharing it on G+ (I'm not on FB). I'm an atheist but I've always dug the whole golden rule concept in its myriad forms in various religions. At the end of the day I don't care either if someone is gay or not, religious or not, or what side of the political spectrum they're on: as long as they're not beating up on me, I have much better things to do than beat up on them. I'm always happy to agree to disagree, as long as things are civil.
I guess I'm probably guilty of failing to love once it gets beyond that point, though. I don't know that I can love the people who say some of the more horrid comments you got. I'm content to ignore them for the most part, although I will stand up to fight against them passing legislation that harms others. For instance, if someone says, "I hate gays!" then I don't really feel like conversing with them because they're already in an antagonistic place, but I will fight back when they call for homosexuality to be made illegal or otherwise punished. I believe in freedom of religion but I will stand up to fight prayer in public schools.
For me, the difference is about value judgments versus political ones. I don't drink alcohol, but my husband occasionally likes some wine. I see that as his business. He's not asking me to drink it. He's not drinking and driving and putting anyone else in harm's way. He's not campaigning for it to be required at meals by law. His glass of wine is no offense to me. Why can't everyone separate out things in the same sort of way?
This does alienate me from the bulk of the atheist circle, of course. I tried to get involved socially with local atheist groups and met a few nice people, but a lot more anti-religious jerks. It comes down to community and accepting that people are in your community even if you don't agree with them, and when one side bashes the other, the other side feels it necessary to bash back and even feels justified. It's okay to bash Christians because Christians bash us, right? And if you stand up and say, "No, that's not okay," then you're undermining their victimhood and cast out as surely as if you were bible-thumping them.
Thank you for the post, for the good that it has done. More people need to figure this out. Most of us need to do better at it.
I can't say anything but WOW - just WOW - I have been moved by things in life, but rarely moved this deeply. The words came through perfectly, what a true gift to the world you have and I thank you for posting this. Really anymore I could say would be worthless - just THANK YOU!
You are an ambassador of change and and of love. Thank you for having the courage to speak out, and to encourage others to do so as well. Love IS the answer. When someone can find love in their hearts and let go of judgment (ignorance, fear, or hate) they can have peace and the world will become a better place. God is love. I'm saddened for people who believe in a hateful God but perhaps our love for them can help open their hearts too.
Love does no harm, and it is so sad people are too afraid to love someone different from themselves. It is easy to love someone that thinks like you do, believes as you do (as your post pointed out) but the real challenge and what takes real courage is to love those different from ourselves and they are the ones that need our love the most.
LOVE. It will change the world, it is the only thing that can.Thank you Dan. <3 <3
Wow I can't believe people! Your first post was AMAZING! To me that's what a true christian should be like, a truly good person should be like. You can love someone without loving what they do. Why is it that the sin of being gay is worse than the sin of sleeping with multiple women/men before getting married or getting drunk on a regular basis? All of these are sins in God's eyes. Why do we get to decide which sin is more tolerable than any other? In the bible it says that every sin is equal in God's eyes. I'm not perfect because perfect is simply impossible, but people still love me for me, and don't judge me for the sins that I have done. My heart truly hurts for people that think the way that was represented in some of the responses to your post. I'm greateful that you wrote what you did. Bless you and I pray that there are more people like you in the world every day. Please don't stop writing. Tell your friend "Jacob" that if he needs more friends that will except him for him to give me a call, the more friends the better!
I made a video a year ago which is very similar to your blog post! Please check it out if you have a chance. After 2 months of researching the word love in all the major religious sects this is the finished product. I did not or search to condemn or ridicule any religious organization with the posting of this video. It's purpose was to challenge us all in 2011 to practice what we preach. Love is the Answer! -Matthew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Oh6DXJf04
I loved this blog, thank you! I've shared it.
I grew up in the arts and always had gay friends and mentors, from earliest childhood memories. To me, they were they...just people. I never got the fear and hatred But I've felt it towards others who are "different" I've been guilty.
To me, your title makes so much sense.
To me, it's like "I love dogs, unless they are PItbulls-Rottweilers-whatever."
That's pretty powerful stuff. You should be proud. *hugs and take care!
you are truly amazing! and dont ever forget it! you make a HUGE difference! thank you!
Dan; The post,"I'm Christian, unless you're gay" was my introduction to your blog. It just blew me away. I have never had a problem with gay people but I have had other prejudices like the Muslim terrorists trying to kill Americans and illegal aliens. Of that I am guilty. But after reading your post ,I had to take a long hard look at myself. Each and everyone of the holy people said to love one another period. Not except so and so. This has stuck in my mind. I'll be honest. Loving people who are trying to kill Americans is going to be hard if not impossible for me. But I can pray for them to see the light. Illegal aliens will be no problem. Our government is to blame -who wouldn't take a hand out? OH boy. That means I have to love my government. Boy, is that gonna take some time!
I tried to read this and got to the bottom and it said "continued on page two" but there was no page two and the icon for page two was not letting me click on it... I want to read the whole thing. Can you email it to me or send me a link to the whole blog? or send it to me in a facebook message? I really want to finish reading it. email: [email protected] THANK YOU!
I work as a hairdresser in a salon in California and I have clients from every background imaginable. Many of my close friends and clients know I am a believer and a Christian. I was recently confronted by my boss because I acted in a way she felt betrayed my beliefs as a Christian. Because I told a client it didn't make any difference to me that they were gay and married to another woman. I was told I was wrong for not standing up for the beliefs of the church. That I was somehow letting god down. I responded by saying isn't it written that the lord can call up the very rocks to worship him. Why oh why does this god need me to do his work? If he thinks it's wrong why can't he tell them why does he need me to tear them down? I sometimes wonder if we're worshipping the same god! My god is the god of love! My god is the god of second chances! And yes sometimes even thirds fourths and so on! My god can accomplish his will in the lives of people without my help! My god does'nt dwindle precious time away in a church that sits empty most of the week! He dwells in the warmth of my active loving heart! He refuses to dwell in the cold and bigotted hearts furnished with hatred and animosity of his creations! And my god has no quarrels with your gods or lack there of! My god quarrels within my own heart to guide and teach me right from wrong and still needs no influence from outsiders to accomplish the goals within me! I am no accident and neither are you! And like Adam in the bible I thank god everyday that he created you so that I would not have to dwell here all alone! Your differences and weaknesses still compliment mine and my heart grows fonder of you even to this very moment! Guess what, I still work there! I won't be bullied into behaving any differently! I still love my gay married client just the same, although, maybe a bit more since the situation sparked the truth to come out of my mouth instead of living dormant in my mind unspoken! My boss may think less of me as a Christian and maybe I don't even deserve that title! But I won't cower to bullies and bigots! And if I reach heaven and my god disapproves of my actions I will tell the all powerful god to go down and do it better. I've at least loved! I will say it again, I've at least loved! And hopefully if there is a pit of fire and I'm thrown to it many more like me will be there to catch me! Including the gays, the unbelievers, the fat or whatever! We will be a happy lot for sure because we will at least have unconditional love on our side! The rest will be in heaven trying to live up to perfect!
Dan you change the world everyday! don't worry about the haters, they are a small minority! I love your blog, have been for the past year and a bit. you inspire me to be a better person, a better wife, a better mom and a better daughter and sister to my family. Thank you! I will continue been a faithful fan xx
Just wrote about your posts and how thankful I am for my family's acceptance of my gay sister on my blog. Great work!
http://lizziedeedesigns.blogspot.com/2011/12/read-single-dad-laughing-dan-pearce.html
Gah. You'd think I would learn not to read your blog in public except on Buddha days! *wipes eyes*
@Mouse Hmmm, sounds like a challenge to get Buddha doing something cry-worthy. :)
And I should add, I've been so moved by so many of these comments and stories. It does make you realise that there are a lot of good people out there who want to spread kindness and that has to make a difference. A smile is sometimes all it takes.
Crystal (below) has written the most intelligent explanation of the fundamental Christian viewpoint on 'love' and is probably what some of the less eloquent were trying to say. However, one cannot 'save' anyone by ostracising them, ignoring them or calling them names. Where many people seem to fall down in their theological reasoning is when they rely solely on one section of any holy book's teaching. The Bible calls also for compassion, kindness and charity. One only needs to consider the parable of the Good Samaritan, the story of Zaccheus the tax collector, of all the many instances where Jesus reached out to those who society had forgotten and ignored. I do not believe that homosexual people need to be 'saved' personally, though some others who do harm to themselves and others surely need help, but the way to do that is to reach out to them, not to turn them away and make them feel worthless. The so-called Christians who have said that ANYONE is unworthy of their love (in any sense of that word) need to go back and read their Bible a little more closely, for nowhere does it teach hatred.
I've been discovering just everything on your blog all night and though it's long past time for me to get some sleep, I'm too worked up. What you are doing here is beautiful. It is every hope that I have for the world, everything that I wish the world could be. When I read about the world religion professor's assignment to his class, I'd already been crying (again), but I started just sobbing and smiling.
You have given the world a beautiful thing. An idea that can spread and spread and shed more light and beauty wherever it goes. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
+1 on Mindy's comment. As a Christian and a gay man people like those at the Westboro Baptist Church, or those in Uganda right now killing people for being gay, create a reaction in me that is anything but "love". I think the reaction is valid because I know the damage being done by their messages. And yet...at my core...I want to be better than to have those reactions. The oppressor, the one who abuses you, they're still a child of the divine. All of the teachings that I respect teach me to be compassionate and to "turn the other cheek" and not to return hate with hate. One doesn't give forgiveness because someone deserves it, you give forgiveness because it's the divine thing to do and because it's the only way we move forward, together. I frequently wonder what might have happened with the Westboro folks had they had someone who showed them love, or put their arm around them years ago and showed them compassion instead of the constant ridicule they get in the media (admittedly they bring it on themselves but, there must've been a moment when they could've been different...and I...still believe it's never too late for that moment to happen). Thank you for reminding me that I have a long way to go and that I WANT to continue on in my journey of being a better human!
Those mean responses dont even deserve the time of day. The power held in the ones who opened their hearts to another, are the most powerful, most needed, most important. Those people will be able to smile more in their life again, than the others. I choose to smile. There can never be enough of that in this world. Thank you Dan.
+1 on Mindy's comment. As a Christian and a gay man people like those at the Westboro Baptist Church, or those in Uganda right now killing people for being gay, creation a reaction in me that is anything but "love". I think the reaction is valid because I know the damage being done by their messages. And yet...at my core...I want to be better than to have those reactions. The oppressor, the one who abuses you, they're still a child of the divine. All of the teachings that I respect teach me to be compassionate and to "turn the other cheek" and not to return hate with hate. One doesn't give forgiveness because someone deserves it, you give forgiveness because it's the divine thing to do and because it's the only way we move forward, together. I frequently wonder what might have happened with the Westboro folks had they had someone who showed them love instead of the constant ridicule they get on the media (admittedly they bring it on themselves but, there must've been a moment when they could've been different...and I...still believe it's never too late for that moment to happen). Thank you for reminding me that I have a long way to go and that I WANT to continue on in my journey of being a better human!
"In truth, we "all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." We are all in need of mercy. In that last day when we are called to the judgment bar of God, do we not hope that our many imperfections will be forgiven? Do we not yearn to feel the Savior's embrace? It seems only right and proper that we extend to others that which we so earnestly desire for ourselves."
--Dieter F. Uchtdorf
You write such powerful things. Just discovered your blog earlier...and have read alot of your blogs so far. They have made me laugh, cry, and think. I love it!! Thank you for being such an inspiration!!
this is powerful. Thank you
Just left a comment on your blog, and declared my love message on my status. You did something great. And I love your friend, Jacob*.
Thanks for having the courage to write from your heart. And please tell me that we can buy the music from your video somewhere!
LOVE IT!!!!!!
this is awesome. The people who's responses were in the first part of the video make me sad to be human.
But the people who's responses were in the second part make me so *proud* to be human. And there are far more of them than the first group.
Dan, you and those folks ROCK!
This is to Harry Hogg- You totally rock Dude! These are some of the things that I have often wondered about myself... Keep them thinking!
I first read your post about adoption. My son is adopted and I have experienced many of the moments you mentioned. The thing I want the world to know about him is that I was not infertile, I chose adoption because of its gift and overwhelming joy. I then read your blog about being gay and it was beautiful. I am Catholic. I am Christian and I couldn't disagree with anything you have said. I have tried throughout my life to live it with love and not judgment. I have been friends with those who are religious, those who are not religious, gays, bisexuals, educated, uneducated, fat, skinny, tall, short, homeless, wealthy, and they are all beautiful people. I am not perfect and I know that there are those that I have hurt and for that I am sorry. But the message I want my son to learn is that God made us all. You do not have to agree with a lifestyle, you do not have to condone it, but to love someone means to share a meal, a hug, a look of compassion, it doesn't mean you join the action that you feel is not okay. When I die, I will go before God and have to attest for my sins because I am a sinner. My sins are no more or less than others, they are just mine. Therefore, if I want our world to be a better place, a better world, it begins with me, it begins with being a mother, a wife, a sister, a daughter, a friend, a co-worker, and even a stranger of love to others.
This video brought it home in a big way ... thank you for reminding me!
Harry- Great minds think alike. Check up about 4 posts.