A discussion about selfishness vs. self-care and how we each fit into all of it.

A mother of three wakes up one morning, and tells her husband, “I want a divorce. I’m done. I can’t do this anymore.”

Immediately all outside spectators choose sides based on the belief that her actions were caused by one of two motivators. Selfishness. Or self-care.

Those who think she acted in selfishness will take the side of the husband. They will call her self-centered, egotistical, narcissistic, and rash. They’ll insist she go back and work things out. They’ll dangle her children’s’ well being in front of her and predict lifelong problems and calamity for her family. And because of it all, they love her less. They treat her as less. They punish her for her choice.

Those who think she acted in self-care will come to her and offer support, help with the children, and give her a listening ear. They’ll make things easier for her. They won’t judge her. They become a better friend than they were before. Their love for this woman grows. They reward her for her choice.

A man active in his church comes home one day and tells his wife, “I don’t want to be a member of this church anymore. I don’t believe it. I never have. And I’m done.”

Immediately all outside spectators choose sides based on the belief that his actions were caused by one of two motivators. Selfishness. Or self-care.

Those who think he acted in selfishness, will talk behind his back about the “real” reasons he left the church. They’ll use him as an example in their church lessons. They’ll point out his downfalls and stumbles as proof of the consequences those who leave will inevitably face. And because of all of it, they love him less. They treat him as less. They punish him for his choice.

Those who think he acted in self-care will become a better friend to him. They’ll rally around him. They’ll encourage him to continue seeking truth and to always search for his happiness. They’ll offer unconditional support. Their love for this man grows. They reward him for his choice.

A single mom walks into her boss’s office and says, “I quit. I’m done. I can’t do this anymore.” She has no bankable plan on the horizon.

Immediately all outside spectators choose sides based on the belief that her actions were caused by one of two motivators. Selfishness. Or self-care.

Those who think she acted in selfishness will tell her to beg for her job back. They’ll call her irresponsible and careless. They’ll attempt to fill her with guilt for her choice. They’ll call her an irresponsible parent. And because of all that, they love her less. They treat her as less. They punish her for her choice.

Those who think she acted in self-care will encourage her and give her ideas of where she might go to find work that she enjoys. They’ll help her when she’s struggling. They’ll encourage her in her happiness. Their love for this woman grows. They reward her for her choice.

These are the three examples of the big life changer scenarios I talked about in the post Whose Life is it Anyway. And while many other examples could be used, they lay out perfectly an example of one of society’s biggest problems.

Now, I’m sure you were expecting this post to be about knowing whether your major life decisions are being done in selfishness or out of self-care. But come on, the majority of individuals know already whether or not they’re being selfish or whether their choices are being made for themselves as well as for others. Deep down they do.

That entire discussion could be this short:

A selfish person is one who does everything for himself with no thought for how his actions or choices will affect anyone else.

A self-caring person is one who does everything for himself, fully appreciating and sympathetic to how it will affect those around him. He also knows that sometimes what’s best for everybody is what’s best for himself. He knows that both his happiness and unhappiness trickle to every facet of his life, especially to his lover and his children.

There’s also a third person which we won’t talk about much today. It’s the selfless person. A selfless person is one who does everything for everyone else with no thought for himself. In other words, a doormat.

Don’t be a doormat. Don’t be a selfish wiener. Do what’s best for yourself and take care of those who surround you while you do.

And that’s it, that’s the whole discussion.

But it’s not that easy, is it. Not with society as part of the picture, too.

You see, society has created a wide-spread dynamic where the individual no longer has much opportunity to decipher for himself whether he’s being selfish or self-caring in his major life choices.

So, because those in society can’t keep the hell out of each other’s personal lives, and because those in society are obsessed with constantly judging one another, and because those in society have a very real need to stand behind people as either victims or villains… well, very little options exist for a person when he’s making such life changing, crucial decisions.

He can either paint a picture for all others that makes him a villain or he can paint a picture that makes him a victim or a saint. We all know that there’s nowhere in-between that the rest of the world will generally go with things.

This is so debilitating for a lot of reasons, mainly because it forces people to start backing up their tough decisions with smaller decisions that keep them victimized or beaten down. It becomes a show for outsiders to watch. How bad is the douche bag she’s leaving? How horrible were the people in the church he left? How crappy was her life at work?

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kranberrysIdaho 6 pts

I wish I had the courage... I'm scared to not worry about judgement when it involves so many people./...

Jess F 5 pts

It just all comes down to this concept:  You can love someone for who they are as a person but disagree with their life choices, and vice versa.  What's that saying... "love the sinner, not the sin?"  (not trying to relate any of these to sin, btw lol).  I think the biggest thing we need to remember, when we know a person who's going through such times, is to not make the issue about US or OUR opinions.

 

It's actually a very simple concept.  It's just putting it into practice that people seem to struggle with.

magaliechetrit 5 pts

Well. I don't know. I already knew this stuff about the selfless and the selfcaring (and the doormat). I've said "ok. Cool. Thanks for the update. No judging here". And people keep explaining themselves to me. I think it's baked in the psyche or something.

I'm annoyed how many times people say "sorry" after they find something stupid or strange. I don't mind. It's not my problem, why apologize. 

I don't judge (as much as I can - i am a jew so it's hard :D *joke!*), but I don't try to ask anybody for permission or prove to them why the heck i'd do something

lmottaz 5 pts

(Sung to the tune of "Let it Snow, Let it Snow, Let it Snow")

Judging won't make folks like you

In fact they might despise you.

Give yourself room to grow,

Let it go, let it go, let it go.

Mouse 30 pts

I try to not judge, and I think that at this point I am much more successful than not. In my life, I've only met 3 other people (not including internet friends) who could honestly & accurately say that. I consider myself extremely lucky to have met two of those people when I did; it was one of the few points in my life up until that point when I would have been able to "hear" them and what they were offering. That atmosphere, more than anything else, changed the very core of who I am. 

 

Up until I met those people, I had never experienced not being judged- by both those around me and myself. I disliked people; I considered everyone dishonest, idiotic, and blind to reality. I disliked myself; I also considered myself rather stupid and selfish, although I came across as self-assured to the point of arrogance (or rather past it :P). 

To have people that saw me, that knew things I said or did or thought or felt, and didn't judge me for them, was so outside my experience that it took me a long time to even realize what was going on. When it finally hit me, when I finally really understood, it opened the way for me to stop hating myself... and everyone else. It has taken a few years (& Landmark) for me to get to the point where I actually rather like and am *proud of* who I am. I keep wanting to say more to explain, but I don't think any words could ever explain the very fundamental change that has created in everything that I am. 

 

 

Yes, of course, everyone should do their best to stop judging. That alone could fix everything that is wrong with the world.

And, with the way people have been raised, and the way our society currently works, I can't help but be aware that not everyone will be in a space to truly see or hear the non-judgement. People are so used to being judged that even if everyone around them were to suddenly and completely stop, that person would still likely judge theirself & project that onto those around them. I'm constantly amazed at my gf's ability to project- I can be having a great day, be as happy as can be, actually whistling or humming as I do whatever I'm doing, and she will get upset because I'm "mad at her" for something I'd never even noticed. She judges herself (& others) so harshly, and the concept of other people not doing so is so foreign, she is incapable of realizing that there are people who don't judge. I'm hoping that time and consistency will show her (& others) that it *is* possible to be happy. 

ilik2BGoofy 6 pts

Wow I really like the comment I just read about not judgeing and just being there to listen and help if you can.  Great.

 

kgreadmore 5 pts

I can relate so much to this post. When my husband left the LDS church, well, wow... And that's all I'll say on that. We are still together and I love him more than ever. But this world has a long way to go.

Sarah Mickalson 55 pts

Theres a saying that goes "judging a person doesnt define who they are, it defines who you are". As someone who has been judged and judge others I can honeslty say that my life is far less complicated and stressful now that I no longer judge others or allow others judgements to affect me. We all have enough struggles in our lives so why add to someone else's and why let someone else add to ours?

Anonymous214 6 pts

the thing is nobody knew what i was goin through, what my children were goin through. very few ppl know now. my fam n so called friends deserted me n my gurls. no one cared or understood, n they still dont, they dont even try. w the exception of a very few ppl. i hid it so well, they did not see the abuse or neglect that sent me nto a downward spiral. all they saw was my spiral. they didnt care y it happened. they didnt care that it was what i was goin through that made me that way. the drs didnt make it any better w all the meds they put me on, it only made things worse. i struggled w mental health, bein in n out of hospitals for suicidal attemps, n lots of other things. what hurt the most, n still does, is that their father completely ignored our younger daughter all her life, even n the hosital. it was bad enough that he had been ignorin me for years, but to ignore the baby, that was the worst. she never knew what a daddy was til i got w the man im w now. she never knew a daddys luv. n she never knew what she was missin, but i did, i have a wonderful daddy. i felt horrible for her. their father put our older daughter on a pedastule, he gives her everything, including quality time. there is a definite difference n the way he treats them. i feel guilty alot that i did not stand up n make him b her daddy, that i still dont. the good thing is she has a daddy now. one that luv her very much, spends quality time, puts her on a pedalstule. ppl dont tend to look behind what they see w their eyes, they dont wanna know. my fam n so called friends just think i should b w him n have both our gurls together bc thats what they want, thats what they think is right. they dont see the pain n my gurls eyes or the tears that run down their cheeks. they dont feel like they r nothin either. they dont feel like the failure is all their fault. they dont feel their world crashin down around them. they dont feel the pain i feel n my heart every time i think of my baby bein so far away. they dont know how it feels not to b able to wrap their arms around their baby any time they want. they dont feel like theyre a complete failure. they dont know how it feels to cry for their babies almost every night, or wake w nightmares that theyll never see their baby again. i have failed as a wife n a mother. the best i can hope for is that my gurls will have learned something along the way, n grow up to b good ppl. strong women. n maybe theyll teach what they have learned to the baby due in sept. i can only hope that our fam will get through this intact. that we will b better n stronger for it. i pray everyday that my gurls will someday understand y i did what i did. that maybe theyll forgive me someday. i aplaud ppl who r strong enough to stand on their own, who r strong enough to walk away, even if it is n the middle of the night. i always have. those ppl r the ones who deserve a better life. they r the ones who should stand n b proud. ppl like me, who stay, they r the worst kind. they r cowards, i am a coward. ive always done what i thought was best, but maybe i dont know whats best. maybe im just as clueless as all those ppl who judge me. maybe im just as bad as them.

WendyTaylor 14 pts

I remember walking down Mass Ave trailing slightly behind my friends,  We were all in our early twenties, hardly more than children, living on our own for the first time.  My friends were tightly huddle around our most vibrant member.  She was quiet and she seemed so small without her usual bright inner light.  Something big had come to visit our odd little clan and we all knew no matter what happened nothing would ever be the same.  My friend was pereganet, birth controle had failed, options were running out.  I had fallen back to think and to prey.  Abortion was on the table.  With things the way they were it was clearly the only option.   To me abortion was murder.   I searched deep into myself.  was there anyway I could save this baby?  Oh how I wanted one and knew it would be hard for me when the time came.  There was simply no way.  I could hardly hold my life together.  My cat even ran away because I left it alone too much.  A baby was way out of my ability.  I knew many other paths had been searched.  She did all that before letting us know, before coming to us for help.  Her family had cut her off.  She was alone except us.  I wanted that baby to live but I knew that was just what I wanted.  Without the ability to help what I wanted was not relevant.  I remember walking the streets with her, aimless, and silent.  I remember that night in her apartment each one of us taking a turn at watch, wrapped up around her, holding her, breathing with her.  No one said a word.  I remember the sunlight  of the next morning. I watch the eldest of us slip a red stone in the shape of a heart into her palm and then they left up the street.  The rest of us watched them go.  I never saw her again.  i don't know if it was enough but we all loved her that night.  We loved her not because we thought she was doing what was right or because she was the victim of some horrible tragedy.  We loved her because we always had.  We loved her for who she had been, who she was and who she would become.    We love her still 20 years later with no idea how things came out  in the end.  The was whisper was that her family had folded her back to them, time and forgiveness. My heart grew that night my compassion expanded.  I could love with out judgment.  It would take me the next 15 years to learn to love without judgment with sacrificing myself..

RebeccaPeterson 6 pts

My pregnancy with my first daughter would have been so much simpler if my friends and family were on my side. It got to the point where I slipped into depression because everyone was bombarding me with "You need to abort/adopt out" instead of even faking support for my decision.

RhondaGregoryTorres 13 pts

one of the hardest times in my life for me was when I separated from my Ex-husband. The hard decision that was on me knowing it would have direct affect on my two young sons was hard enough, but to have so many friend judge me and walk away from me was even worse than that. I had a large group of friends before, although a lot of them are moved on in life there are some who judged and couldn't face what I was going thru. Wait, what was that again WHAT I WAS GOING THRU. I held on for the marriage for 2 yrs after the separation hoping things would be able to be worked out, but that didn't happen.  I lost some what I had believed were good close friends. :(  It still makes me sad. It's also made me so much more nonjudgmental.  A friend of mine just this last weekend used the saying "Not until they walk a mile in your shoes can they say anything." I'd heard that before, but yeah, it makes sense!!

 

Terowl 15 pts

Wow.  My first divorce would have been so very different had those words been uttered to me.  My own family judged me for leaving my first husband.  I knew it was the right thing to do.  My girls were very young and even they knew it was the right thing to do because of the abuse we were suffering at my husband's hands.  And yet still, my parents, my family judged me for 'not working it out'.  This wasn't the 'Christian way'.  I left in the middle of the night, ashamed that I couldn't cut it and I didn't go home to my family because I didn't feel I could.  I went from one bad relationship to another.  

 

I am only now picking up the pieces of my life and rebuilding it some 12 years later.  Finally I can say I am content and living for myself and my girls. I have a job I love, a life with my two beautiful daughters that I love and I don't have a 'partner' but that's okay.  I am content with who I am and who my girls are becoming.  Some day maybe it will be different.  But I had to learn who I was and love myself before I could learn to love another.  

Anonymous214 6 pts

Dan, (pls forgive my fb shorthand) i would like u to know that ur post has touched my heart in so many ways, especially the first part. u see, i used to be the doormat u spoke of. one day an event happened that made me wake up n be not only the self-care, but also the selfish. i had known for yrs that my marriage was going down the tubes, and eventually something would have to happen. i stayed bc of my children. i was convinced that they would b better off if i stayed w my husband (then husband). i was convinced that ONLY having BOTH of us n the house would b what was best for my children, bc i come from a divorced fam. i saw what that did to me and my brother and didnt want that for my gurls. my husband n i tried not to fight n front of the gurls. we tried to wait until they were n bed or out of the house. unbeknownsed to us, our oldest daughter was not always asleep when we fought. one day when he n i were fighting over the phone (i always went outside to do this) she overheard through an open window. after i hung up, i went back inside n she was waiting for me. "mom, r u n daddy fighting again? i don't like u fighting. it makes me feel bad. pls dont fight." then the tears slid down her beautiful lil cheeks. my heart broke nto a million pieces. i realized that us bein together was not was best for my children. she was n pain. her lil heart had takin so much n she just couldnt take much more. when i saw those tears, i just couldnt convince myself any longer that i was doin what was best for my gurls. i needed to make a change to make the world better for them, myself be damned. i thought about what i would do for months, thought about leavin their dad, but always came to "what can i do for them on my own?" so i stayed a lil longer, afraid i would not b doin them any good by leavin. eventually i discovered fb. at first it was a world i could go to, to keep from seein those tears. then i started meeting old friends on fb. they began remindin me of who i used to b. strong, clearheaded, independant, as well as other things. i lied to all of them. i told them all that i had a deleriously happy marriage. i told them that he was my soulmate. i felt i had to keep up the sharade, bc of my babies, until i could figure out what to do. eventually i caught up w an old boyfriend on fb. we talked for awhile n reconnected, but i told him the same lies i told everyone else. to this day, i dont know if i was tryin to convince them or me n my gurls. one night after a hugh fight, that the gurls saw, i got on fb to get away from him, after i put the gurls to bed. my ex just happened to b on fb too. we started talkin n he could tell i was upset. he asked me y. i broke down n tears n spilled my guts. i still apologize for liyin. we started talkin n earnest. mind u, there had been nothing between us but friendship. we talked off n on for several wks, w me runnin to him everytime there was a fight. after a while of hearing from my friends about who i used to b, i made the biggest life altering decision ever. i decided to leave my husband. i pulled him aside one night when the kids were asleep n told him i was leavin n i wanted a divorce. another hugh fight ensued, then came the beggin. i felt so horrible for doin that to him, but i was not backin down any longer. i wouldnt b his doormat any longer. when our oldest daughter came home from school the next day, we pulled her aside n told her i was leavin w her sister n asked her who she wanted to live w. she chose him, so i respected her dicision, n let her stay. he told me they would leave n 2 wks, n leave our younger daughter n me w nothing, no home, no money, no food. my fam would not take us in. we had nothing n no one. i got on fb one night n my ex was on. i told him everything. he said "come to me, i want u n ur daughter to b n my life." lots of fights ensued, but i left n came back to my ex. we have been w him for 8 n 1/2 months, n he is better to us than my husband ever was. he takes care of ALL our needs. he is a wonderful man, more than i can say. now some ppl would say this is a happy endin. there is just one problem, im missin part of me. i talk to my baby on the phone all the time, but he refuses to let me see her. we fight constantly about this. i havent seen her since august. once again my heart is brakin ito a million pieces. there is another problem as well, he wont talk to our baby that lives w me. he wont have anything to do w her. she deserves better. sometimes i question if i did the right thing, but when i think about EVERYTHING, i realize i did. things would b much worse if i had stayed. the ppl i know have taken one side or another, or dont talk to either of us. one thing they have n common though is, how could i let my baby stay w him. i get it from both sides. they dont understand that i did what she wanted, n so what was right for her. she is happy, healthy, taken care of. she is where she wants to b. im not gonna lie n say i dont want her everyday, i wont say i dont yern for her to b n my arms. im not even gonna say i dont want to go get her and never take her back. i want all these thing n more, but i have to think of her, how she feels. it doesnt help me that all these ppl r tellin me what i shouldve done, what i should do, what i must do. my fam has turned their backs on us, left us to rot, as it were. n essence we have no fam any longer. all these ppl think they know whats best for my gurls n myself, but they know nothin. these ppl r not helpin, just hinderin. we have only each other n the man im w now. so u see, i have been the doormat, the self-care, n the slefish. n n some ways, i continue to b.

CarpeDiemTim 8 pts

Thanks for the article, Dan. You really brought it all home and hit the nail on the head.

troismommy 25 pts

Funny how different regions say the same things differently. My way of saying it is, "It's not my place to judge."

 

I've had friends who've changed their lives and turned things upside down and I've wondered how they've come to that decision, but it's not my place. I haven't walked in their shoes. I haven't lived their lives. I have NO idea what it's like to be them every day and I have no idea what's best for them. I can only listen and support them on their journey, and if it doesn't work out, help them pick up the pieces.

 

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ilik2BGoofy 6 pts

Why divide the the two? Selfcare and selfishness.  Both apply in every situation.  Bring God into it and do what makes you and God the happiest.  When I divorced, I left the town I grew to love very deeply.  It was my ex-husband's house that he grew up in, I left it all behind because I knew I could be happy anywhere.  But I knew he needed as much support as he could get.  The facts are my ex-husband committed the 3 big A's in our relationship: Addiction, Adultry, and Abuse.  i learned after many years of therapy that I could only heal and take care of the things I did wrong.  We attempted to go to therapy as a couple.  He felt therapy wasn't for him.  So I went into therapy for myself when I realized I was becoming like him in my behavior.  Many people took my side.  Rumors and lies circulated.  I said nothing to noone only my therapist.  My mother-in-law called me raging saying I was I was slinging mud at their family.  I calmly informed her that none had originated from me.  Then the rumor mill turned on me.  Wow the things I was hearing about what an awful person I was, made me feel sorry for my ex-husband.  I had no idea he had it so awful.  The take-away I got from that and interestingly enough I am having to relearn again is people only look at the world through their own distorted glasses.  I have real friends that actually know me and know that none of the rumors were true.  I even heard that some of them were brave and stood up against the crowd.  I also know that people will act out when they feel trapped or cornered.  When my husband told me he wanted a divorce, I simply said yes I know, because he had been telling me that with his behavior for years.  I said I would be okay with his choice.  I wanted to make it as amicable as possible for both our sakes and for the sake of the children.  He begged me later that same day to give him another chance, I said fine, but I knew my heart wasn't in it.  I sought help through my therapist and clergy, their advice differed a bit so I spent many hours in prayer...the answer came in a very strong way...get myself stronger and move on.  Well the abuse became too much too bear...it got to the point of my life was in jeopardy....so ready or not I had to leave. He left his church...but his heart wasn't in that relationship either.  I may be misinterpretting your article here but I detect an over tone of bitterness...You can't make another person love you...you can only be your best self...if they don't love you the kindest thing you can do is let them go.....some people are only meant to be in our lives for a time.  Get out of blame and move on.  I married my ex bcause I was doing what I thought society, my church and my parents would support.  I did not do what I knew was the right thing for me.  I did grow to love my ex-husband from a very deep place in my heart in-spite of all.  I loved him enough to improve myself.  But he didn't feel as strongly toward me.  His new wife is perfect for him.  I now feel that I somehow got in the way of their union.  they should have been married to eachother all along.  I am without a partner now but I do not feel lonely.  Thanks to the relationship I am into with my Father in Heaven.  He has never let me down.  No matter how many times I give Him reason to.   I do what I can and He takes care of the rest. 

 

Summer Rain 33 pts

Below is a link to a wonderfully inspiring song by one of my favorite bands -- I listen to it whenever I need a bulwark against outside pressure. I hope those of you here who are ready to take your lives into your own hands will find strength in it.

Contrary to what Christian-based religions preach, there is NO objective, outside, overarching compass directing us in how to live our lives. Each and every one of us carries the only compass that truly matters. No decision or action is objectively bad or objectively good; those are judgments each one of us makes individually. This can seem terrifying to many of us at first, because we are used to being spoon-fed a moral code imposed by outside sources.

The only way to live authentically, and well, is to find a way to align yourself with your own compass so you can accurately determine what's good and what's bad for YOU. Find out what's true for you, and stick to it -- no matter what anyone else says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q96v3KDotoQ&feature=related

How about, "Let me know how I can help you?" Or, "I am a good listener if you need to talk." They are not 6 words but, if they are sincere, they show that you care about them.

THATonefreakinguy 6 pts

Actually since "don't" is a contraction that would make it seven words.

tobiblake 9 pts

Such an important message Dan. Thank you for sharing it.

Once again, you've hit it right on the head. Thank you, thank you for so eloquently putting into words feelings that I deal with everyday and hardly even recognize, let alone am able to communicate to others. Please, please keep writing about this stuff You really are making the world a better place!

bryseis 5 pts

or 6 other words "I don't care what you think".

If more people cared less about what society thought of them, more people would do what is right by themselves.

lovindmutts 43 pts

There've been a couple times I've made big life decisions that didn't make sense to "the rest of the world." Both were cases of self-care. I was in relationships that weren't progressing, that would only end in sorrow for me.

The first one was ... about 15 yrs ago. I realized that if I stayed, things wouldn't be what I want in life. I would become someone nobody would like, and neither of us would be happy. After the breakup, I tried out a couple different explanations, and found that it was better to be as vague as possible... "It wasn't working out." I found that explanation didn't force blame on anyone, didn't vilify anyone or paint either of us the martyr. It just declared a bad fit.

The more recent one (about 2 yrs ago), was a much bigger issue as we'd been together for 10 years. I'd done a lot of thinking about it before I came to my decision. I had looked at the issues we were having, the options and potential for fixing the problems. Because I know myself, and I knew him pretty well, I knew it wasn't working. I had to get out before my spirit was entirely broken as well.

I don't always feel like explaining all the issues, all the factors to strangers who ask why I asked for a divorce. And frankly, it's rarely their business. I have my reasons, and I stand by my decision.

kamirules 19 pts

lovindmutts i can't believe that complete strangers (even family members who are strangers) ask you why you divorced. where's the tact? where's the class? plus, isn't it safe to say that if someone is divorced, the simple answer is that one or both people didn't want to be married anymore and most likely decided that it was the best decision for all involved? or am i weird like that? good on ya for doing what is best for YOU. because, who else is going to do that?? :)

lovindmutts 43 pts

 kamirules  Yes, Kami, one would think that'd be the reasonable thought process.. but some people are nosey.. Sadly, the things that caused me to want out make him look like a lazy, selfish, impulsive child... or make me like an selfish, uncommitted liar. I know, flattering all around, right?

 

There are a few I've explained it to. Mom and Dad have been pretty cool about it. A couple others haven't been as understanding.. usually because of a lack of relationship experience. Grain of salt. Nobody else has bothered to ask, so I haven't bothered to push. If they wanna know, they'll ask. In the meantime, I have a life to live :P

EmmaJewel 49 pts

I have recently, well in the last few years, have decided not to "announce" anything until I've thought and pro/con and discussed options and all of that. In the past I have been known to jump before looking - just making decisions on the fly. I don't anymore.

When I make an announcement on facebook or my blog, it's usually a surprise to most people - because while it's been in the works for quite a while, I don't want to share it with anyone until I've made a decision.

It happened just last fall - I auditioned for a show here on campus. Before I auditioned I wrote out the pros and cons, talked to CJ, talked to Chris, and made a decision based on those conversations for whether or not I should audition for a role, or for experience only. I decided to audition for a role. Mom and dad were less than enthused, because they figured I hadn't thought it all through. What about CJ? What about work? What about being overwhelmed?

I had to reassure my mom that I had, indeed, thought it all through before making the decision.

I don't know if she supports my decision, but I'm pretty sure she's trying.

Anyway - for those that don't like to share decisions with the world until all the background work and planning has been done, that's the way it works for me. People are sometimes P-O'd that I didn't tell anyone I was dating someone new - until he moved in. Why bring it up anyway? It's nobody's business except mine, really.

Okay I have to get back to work.

I'm preoccupied and tonight is opening night...

Wish me a broken leg! :)

I'm almost 40 years old and am just NOW coming to this realization. For the first time ever, I'm standing my ground and am actively implementing self care. Not an easy thing to do, because JUST like you described, there is judgement everywhere. This is nothing new, other than my waking up to it. Realizing you've lived 40 years trying to please everyone else around you and none of it working out for the good (for myself or THEM) is a hard pill to swallow. Realizing that in some people, there IS no "good" enough to satisfy their needs or that no matter what, you end up failing IS debilitating, ESPECIALLY when it's your family...in my case, parents, grandparents, ex-spouse, and friends of theirs. In an act of self care, I've chosen to remove myself from those negative people for MY own good. NOT because they're bad, but because their way doesn't work for ME and ultimately my children. When I'm not well...THEY'RE not well, and vice versa. Telling that to my family was scary...I was afraid what they'd think...but I KNEW it had to be done. What was harder was that I was labelled irrational, crazy, unstable, oh...and most likely on drugs. Why? Because THIS behavior (insubordinate) is unlike me. Once again, I'm a villain, since I won't speak to anyone. It's hard not rushing back into the "acceptance" but I also know that it's a toxic relationship (each of them collectively and individually since they like to team up) and nothing will be different. That is...except for me and my own mental sanity. I'm breaking the abuse cycle or trying to...not easy when you're dealing with the abusers and the control I've allowed them to have over me. I'm exercising my independence and for that I'm damned. I've been fortunate enough to also have just as many people support me in my self care, recognize it as self care all because I quit listening to people telling me that THOSE people are either against me, or don't love me as they do because they're not "family." I'm thankful to be well enough to realize that my support team IS my family. They're just not genetically linked to my DNA. My kids deserve better...*I* deserve better and no one can make that choice for what's right better than *I* can...except maybe God, but we talk often. And He answers each time with church sermons, advice from supportive people and posts JUST LIKE THIS...at just the right time. Thank you Dan...while I know I'm not the only one needing this...I needed it NOW. Thank YOU for doing your part to help support those that may have nothing or no one else. YET!!

kamirules 19 pts

i find that those who rush to judgement about situations such as these, assume that absolutely NO THOUGHT has gone into them whatsoever. do people really think that if i quit my job tomorrow, that i haven't been thinking about it for months? maybe even years? that i haven't gone over and over every possible consequence in my head, that i haven't attempted to plan and prepare for whatever may happen?

really? do people really think that someone gets up one day and decides to turn their whole life upside down for the fun of it? honestly. a little common sense would be nice. i'm sure there are some people who wake up and make rash decisions. but the majority of us do not. because we're adults.

as a therapist, i can say that people agonise over decisions like these and are very aware of what could happen. the difference i'm noticing is that if people believe if they were put here on earth to suffer or not.

lovindmutts 43 pts

kamirules Thank you for giving us some credit! You are very right.. just because "they" weren't in on the entire decision-making process doesn't mean the process didn't happen. I've had people pass judgement on my decisions.. I'm to a point in my life where I take that judgement with a grain (or two or three) of salt. If they are someone whose opinion I value (my parents, etc) or if they're coming from a position of knowledge, I will at least listen to what is said. Otherwise, they don't know what they're talking about, and while I'll be polite, I don't internalize their (ignorant) assessment of my situation.

kamirules 19 pts

lovindmutts that is so true. :)

Your last sentence struck a chord with me. For the longest time I believed that I suffered in this life because I deserved it. I deserved it for all the mistakes I had made in the past. So I continued to make bad decisions(bad relationships) that lead to more pain and hurt. It wasn't until I came to the conclusion that I didn't actually deserve to be unhappy- that I wasn't being punished for my mistakes that I was able to move on and make a huge life changing decision. Deciding to be a single mom and do everything on my own but it was the best/biggest/hardest decision of my life. It was the first one I made truly stating out loud that it was ok for me find happiness in this life.

angensigan 31 pts

Sarah I can totally relate to the idea of feeling doomed already, so what was the point of different choices. It's a beautiful thing to discard those old beliefs and embrace new ones about being a person worthy of better. Congratulations to you in making choices for your happinesss!

kamirules 19 pts

Sarah yay! i have a great deal of admiration for single parents, no matter what the circumstances. every person on the planet deserves to be happy, but i myself have found that it's difficult to challenge those old beliefs. mine was that this life is a test and things are supposed to be hard. until i thought, "why? sure bad things happen, but where is it written that i shouldn't enjoy my time here? that i shouldn't feel joy?" i was off and runnin' then. keep it up!

rdeter 5 pts

The thing that I love the most about your posts is that I can stop whatever I'm doing and jump right in and read what you have to say. I always find that, even though you are expressing opinions and ideas that everyone may or may not agree with, you express your perspective well, and provoke people to ask questions.

I think that letting your friends/family know that you don't judge them for anything is important, and is a unique expression of love. As in, if you love them, you won't necessarily judge them for a decision they make. You might not agree with them, or approve of their decision, but it's important that you still give them support, no matter the situation. Judging tends to have a very negative connotation with it, and if you avoid judgement, you can be supportive in a positive way, instead.

Thanks for this post, I think it helped lighten up my day a little. :)

I have been reading, and rereading these discussions, because I am in the middle of one of these difficult life choices. I too hear all sides of the possible outcomes of whatever decision I choose to make - and somehow not one of the outcomes people seem to think of is that I'll be happier and I'll thrive and that my relationship with my children and my husband will thrive because of it. My work environment is poision - I've probably known it all along, but some recent events have really pushed me to begin the process of making that change. It would be selfish of me to simply give my notice and at the end of that 2 week period be done with no plan - that would be too much of a burden to my family unit - but, I am taking the right steps - I'm meeting with an employment counsellor in a couple of weeks, one who is already aware of the place I am in, and how because of the drain I feel everyday I'm in this office I am that much less patient, less attentive, and less of a mom to my kids and less of a wife to my husband.Thank you for bringing these subjects to light - easy or not - because they are helping me realize that my decision really is out of self-care, I am making this choice because I love my family and myself too much NOT to make this change.

SilverRain 23 pts

I think this is a great post to make you think, but I think you're misguided in two basic premises. You outline selflessness, self-care, and selfishness as being more or less exclusive, and you assign value judgments to them. But self-care as you define it IS selfishness. It's putting your needs above the effect that it has on others. Whether or not you recognize that effect has more to do with ignorance and blindness than decision validation. Also, you posit that judging others is always negative. It isn't. If I was doing something that hurt others, and validating my choices by labeling it "self-care," I would certainly hope that my friends would be strong enough to call me on it. Otherwise, they're sycophants, not friends.So while I think you have a good point, that we shouldn't treat others as lesser for their decisions, that is a separate issue from judgment of a situation. The key I think you're really looking for is love. Loving judgment can help us reevaluate our perspective, and keep us from making stupid decisions, if we are mature enough to handle it. But loving judgement is able to advise without withholding care if that advice isn't taken. And sometimes careful and loving judgment of loved ones is necessary to make one's own decisions. Just be sure you're being careful and loving.And that is coming from a divorced woman.

OnlyaLittleSugarCoated 34 pts

SilverRain You hit on something big for me... The value judgments... none of those things: selfishness, selflessness, self-care are all bad or all good... Although I don't think Dan was saying that - I think he was saying that we in society have assigned the value judgments... And trying to avoid the judgment of "bad", we do a lot of things that aren't helpful... We try to prove that our choices were good. We try to make ourselves into the victim (or the villain depending). Sometimes we make ourselves the hero, and then try to save people from situations that they don't actually need saving from... I've been thinking about the difference between "healthy judgment" and "unhealthy judgment". (I picked those words just to help me differentiate between the two. In healthy judgment, I can express my wants, needs, desires, and opinions. With healthy judgment, I make my choices based on whatever criteria I deem important. In unhealthy judgment, I expect everyone else to make their choices and decisions based on whatever criteria I deem important.Example of unhealthy: It was best for me to get divorced, therefore it is best for everyone else to get a divorce too. It was best for me to leave the church, therefore everyone should... It was best for me to divorce my husband because our relationship was abusive, so therefore he will be abusive to everyone he is in a relationship with. I like chocolate ice cream, therefore chocolate is the best and anyone who doesn't like chocolate is messed up... (Although, in the past, I did the reverse of this. If someone else liked chocolate best, I should like chocolate best. Constantly dismissing my wants and needs so as not to be "judgmental".)Example of healthy: I don't like the way you treat me, so I choose not to be around you. I don't like the way I feel at church, so I choose not to go. I like chocolate ice cream, and I appreciate that you like vanilla. It frightens me to be alone with men, so as silly as it might sound to you, I won't be alone with men. I don't like being around you when you are drunk, so please don't come to my home when you are drunk. I had a friend tell me he didn't want to be around me while I was in an abusive relationship. It was too hard on him to watch me get beat up (physically and emotionally). He was so loving. He made sure I knew that I was still loved, and I didn't have to change anything to make HIM happy, but for his own sake, he couldn't be around it... I didn't feel "judged" - I felt like he was taking care of himself, and I felt like him taking care of his needs happened to also really help me...This is really long... Your comments always get me thinking... I hope it's okay that I just wrote a novel as a reply. :)

LeslieHerbert 10 pts

OnlyaLittleSugarCoatedSilverRain VERY good reply. There is always judgment. We use it to make decisions. But your examples of healthy versus unhealthy are right on!

Xsmommio 7 pts

Dan, I've never responded to one of your posts before although most, if not all, have stayed with me throughout the day. Up until about 6 months ago, I was always worried about the judgement of others. This in turn caused me to be even more judgemental of others, even if just within my mind. Then something changed...I turned 40 and realized how little it matters what others think of me, especially those I don't really know. The clearer this became to me, the more the world actually opened up to me. I'm taking a public speaking course and it's amazing how empowered I feel and how I'm truly not afraid up there in front of people. Not only because I'm not so worried about their judgement, but because I have much to say and people are actually responding to my words.

You are talking about judgement on a much grander scale in this article; that I understand, however it's all about baby steps. The happiest people I know are the ones that live the life they want to, and are not afraid to change their course if necessary, and take risks. For many people that's scary because they feel they will lose their support system. Interestingly enough, those brave enough to make a change can find a bigger and better support system, one that will honor their strength and convictions.

As usual, you have people posting messages stating how you've worded something wrong or "have no right" to give advice. I believe your simply stating your thoughts, and it is our choice what we take away from them. I always take away the inspiration and love that you are putting down on a computer screen. Thank you for your posts...keep on typing!

MarciaBohn 21 pts

I don't agree with most of this post. I truly believe that most of society is too selfish and no one gives a hoot about anyone else. You are saying that we shouldn't even be accountable to our CHILDREN for the decisions we make? Of course not our adult children but our MINOR children ALWAYS deserve consideration. This is just my opinon, too but I believe if more married people would wake up everyday and think "what can I do to make my spouse's life better?" (a dr. phil quote) more marriages would be saved. It is not all about YOU.....especially when you have children. NO you should not stay in an abusive relationship with a spouse. I am not saying that but I just feel most of the time, we are too selfish and don't think about others.....espcially our children. Jenny McCarthy was on Oprah a while back and Oprah asked her when she knew her relationship with Jim Carey was over. She said, "when we stopped having fun." This is one reason why marriages break up. People think it's all about fun and roses and candy. I'm NOT saying, Dan, that I think this is why YOUR marriages ended, but life isn't always about having "fun" or being "happy" 24/7. Sometimes there are hard decisions that have to be made and those decisions won't make us happy no matter how hard we try but it will pass and the "fun" will be back in our lives.

kamirules 19 pts

MarciaBohn it appears you missed the point.

kamirulesMarciaBohn We she is reffering to is the myth of the no-fault divorce. It doesn't exist. We do have to be careful, however, of assigning blame, When we aren't making the decision. Like another poster mentioned, what really is needed is love. The type of unconditional love that says, whatever you do, I'll still care about you and do what I can for you. Unconditional love is *not* one where you say, I love you, so I'll tell you I agree with whatever decision you make, no matter how I actually feel. True, loving friends don't lie to each other.

MarciaBohn 21 pts

 kamirules

 who said anything about no-fault divorce?  The basic point I'm trying to make is:  if we think about others above ourselves most of the time and do things for our spouses, kids, family, and/or friends, we WILL be happy because the people we love are happy.   Another key point I was trying to make is...and again...this is just MY opinion, so don't fault me too much...many people I have come across in my life view life as needing to be fun 24/7 and you have to be happy 24/7, but that can never happen.  If you realilze that many people are worse off than you and count your blessings daily, you will also become a happier person.  I don't believe that thinking of yourself first will make you a happier person. 

 

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Awesome! I think I need to send cards (with that written on it) to some of my family members. :))))

Christina Rockwood
Christina Rockwood

Awesome! Thank you! :-)

Jenifer Lloyd Acheson
Jenifer Lloyd Acheson

Another amazingly frank and so very true post dan I needed this today - definitely sharing it - Keep em coming:)

Jessie Hawthorn
Jessie Hawthorn

Dan - I cannot tell you how appropriate this is for my life right now. My mom really needs to read this. I sent it to her. Thank you SO MUCH! I just love your blog.

Angela Retter Jensen
Angela Retter Jensen

I really like this quote because being a member of the LDS church and after my divorce I have decided to take a different path and attend a different church. Many people in the LDS church believe now I am a lost soul!